Discussion:
Why do you smoke?
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Bruce Watson
2014-07-21 23:03:27 UTC
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http://www.technologyreview.com/view/529126/mathematicians-explain-why-social-epidemics-spread-faster-in-some-countries-than-others/
Robert
2014-07-22 03:01:54 UTC
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On Mon, 21 Jul 2014 16:03:27 -0700 (PDT), Bruce Watson
Post by Bruce Watson
http://www.technologyreview.com/view/529126/mathematicians-explain-why-social-epidemics-spread-faster-in-some-countries-than-others/
In electrical terms, the US curve is in-phase power, the Swedish curve
is quadrature power. Social cohesion is acting like an inductor or
capacitor, causing a 1/4 phase shift with power loss inefficiency.
There are well known electrical techniques for counteracting the
effect and bringing the power factor back to 1. The challenge is
finding such a technique in the psycho-social arena.

Japanese programmers are lousy. Power factor correction would improve
collectivist cultures' competitiveness in industries that reward
innovation, notably the software industry.
Bruce Watson
2014-08-04 20:24:19 UTC
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http://touch.capitalgazette.com/#story/cg-achieving-happiness-strategies-for-changing-behavior-20140803/
Robert
2014-08-05 00:02:19 UTC
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On Mon, 4 Aug 2014 13:24:19 -0700 (PDT), Bruce Watson
Post by Bruce Watson
http://touch.capitalgazette.com/#story/cg-achieving-happiness-strategies-for-changing-behavior-20140803/
You are preaching to the choir. I spent my life as an agent of change.
The most important strategy was omitted by the psychologist --
understanding the problem BEFORE solving it. Experimentation, trying
one thing after another, is a huge waste of time and can actually make
the problem worse. Use experimentation as a last resort. Before
experimenting, read the literature to avoid solutions known to fail.
Bruce Watson
2014-08-06 14:51:36 UTC
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"The study suggests the lack of intent to quit in older patients could suggest they don't believe the difficulties of quitting will be worth the gains in quality of life or life expectancy."

http://time.com/3063648/cancer-survivors-still-smoke/
Bruce Watson
2014-08-06 14:53:10 UTC
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I spent my life as an agent of change. 
Do you consider your life over?
Robert
2014-08-06 18:28:09 UTC
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On Wed, 6 Aug 2014 07:53:10 -0700 (PDT), Bruce Watson
Post by Bruce Watson
I spent my life as an agent of change. 
Do you consider your life over?
No, my final problem to solve is NP-Complete. If I solve it, the next
problem will be how to use money wisely.
Bruce Watson
2014-08-06 19:13:55 UTC
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Robert wrote: 
Post by Robert
I spent my life as an agent of change.
Do you consider your life over? 
No, my final problem to solve is NP-Complete. If I solve it, the next 
problem will be how to use money wisely. 

What about a change to vaping?
Robert
2014-08-06 20:03:48 UTC
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On Wed, 6 Aug 2014 12:13:55 -0700 (PDT), Bruce Watson
Post by Bruce Watson
Robert wrote: 
Post by Robert
I spent my life as an agent of change.
Do you consider your life over? 
No, my final problem to solve is NP-Complete. If I solve it, the next 
problem will be how to use money wisely. 
What about a change to vaping?
It's a change of degree, not kind. It's like switching from one brand
of coffee maker to another.

The attraction of vaping is users are not wimps like smokers. A
secondary reason is the difficulty of taxing it. When it comes to
delivering pleasure, vaping is inferior to tobacco.
Bruce Watson
2014-08-06 21:22:09 UTC
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Post by Robert
I spent my life as an agent of change. 
 
Post by Robert
Do you consider your life over? 
No, my final problem to solve is NP-Complete. If I solve it, the next 
problem will be how to use money wisely.
 
What about a change to vaping? 
It's a change of degree, not kind. It's like switching from one brand 
of coffee maker to another. 
Post by Robert
The attraction of vaping is users are not wimps like smokers. A secondary reason is the difficulty of taxing it. When it comes to delivering pleasure, vaping is inferior to tobacco. 
So you misspoke when you claimed you are an agent of change?
Robert
2014-08-07 03:00:27 UTC
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On Wed, 6 Aug 2014 14:22:09 -0700 (PDT), Bruce Watson
Post by Bruce Watson
Post by Robert
I spent my life as an agent of change. 
 
Post by Robert
Do you consider your life over? 
No, my final problem to solve is NP-Complete. If I solve it, the next 
problem will be how to use money wisely.
 
What about a change to vaping? 
It's a change of degree, not kind. It's like switching from one brand 
of coffee maker to another. 
Post by Robert
The attraction of vaping is users are not wimps like smokers. A secondary reason is the difficulty of taxing it. When it comes to delivering pleasure, vaping is inferior to tobacco. 
So you misspoke when you claimed you are an agent of change?
I oversimplified. Second attempt:

To the fish brain, vaping is only a technically different way of
delivering nicotine. To the rational brain, vaping is a significant,
disruptive change. From a business point of view, Big Tobacco is
threatened by small startups. From a medical point of view,
carcinogens are absent. From a taxation point of view, vaping is
difficult to tax, impossible by following the cigarette model of
taxing distributors. From an antismoking political point of view,
users will fight back rather than acquiesce and will not believe
propaganda because they are better educated.
Bruce Watson
2014-08-07 03:37:15 UTC
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So you misspoke when you claimed you are an agent of change? 
To the rational brain, vaping is a significant, disruptive change. 
So with vaping you're not an agent of change.
Bruce Watson
2014-12-27 16:41:47 UTC
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http://archpsyc.jamanetwork.com/Mobile/article.aspx?articleid=1151016
Robert
2014-12-27 17:03:19 UTC
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On Sat, 27 Dec 2014 08:41:47 -0800 (PST), Bruce Watson
Post by Bruce Watson
http://archpsyc.jamanetwork.com/Mobile/article.aspx?articleid=1151016
I don't understand the meaning of "cognitive decline."

When I ride my bicycle downhill, I use the small (14T) cog.
Bruce Watson
2014-12-28 00:47:12 UTC
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-2888460/Want-quit-smoking-time-finish-article-ll-ready-stub-habit-says-DR-MAX-PEMBERTON.html
Robert
2014-12-28 02:03:57 UTC
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On Sat, 27 Dec 2014 16:47:12 -0800 (PST), Bruce Watson
Post by Bruce Watson
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-2888460/Want-quit-smoking-time-finish-article-ll-ready-stub-habit-says-DR-MAX-PEMBERTON.html
The doctor demands a rational reason for an irrational action. I hope
he never falls in love. It'll drive him crazy.
Steve O
2014-12-28 12:27:35 UTC
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Post by Robert
On Sat, 27 Dec 2014 16:47:12 -0800 (PST), Bruce Watson
Post by Bruce Watson
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-2888460/Want-quit-smoking-time-finish-article-ll-ready-stub-habit-says-DR-MAX-PEMBERTON.html
The doctor demands a rational reason for an irrational action. I hope
he never falls in love. It'll drive him crazy.
What makes you think that love has no rational explanation?
Robert
2014-12-28 13:47:38 UTC
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Post by Steve O
Post by Robert
On Sat, 27 Dec 2014 16:47:12 -0800 (PST), Bruce Watson
Post by Bruce Watson
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-2888460/Want-quit-smoking-time-finish-article-ll-ready-stub-habit-says-DR-MAX-PEMBERTON.html
The doctor demands a rational reason for an irrational action. I hope
he never falls in love. It'll drive him crazy.
What makes you think that love has no rational explanation?
Addiction uses the same chemical pathways as love. The lover/addict
will do ANYthing for the object of desire. He feels like he will die
without it.

My neighbors sold their kids' christmas presents to get money for
drugs. That's love.
Bruce Watson
2014-12-28 15:22:44 UTC
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"It might not seem like it now, but everything you wrote down in Exercise 1 is an illusion. These 'reasons you smoke' might seem very real, but they are not. Instead, everything on this list is your mind's attempt to justify something that doesn't make sense."

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-2888460/Want-quit-smoking-time-finish-article-ll-ready-stub-habit-says-DR-MAX-PEMBERTON.html
Robert
2014-12-28 22:59:02 UTC
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On Sun, 28 Dec 2014 07:22:44 -0800 (PST), Bruce Watson
Post by Bruce Watson
"It might not seem like it now, but everything you wrote down in Exercise 1 is an illusion. These 'reasons you smoke' might seem very real, but they are not. Instead, everything on this list is your mind's attempt to justify something that doesn't make sense."
Don't ask how I know. It's true because I say so.
Bruce Watson
2014-12-28 23:26:17 UTC
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"It might not seem like it now, but everything you wrote down in Exercise 1 is an illusion. These 'reasons you smoke' might seem very real, but they are not. Instead, everything on this list is your mind's attempt to justify something that doesn't make sense." 
Don't ask how I know. It's true because I say so. 
Why do you smoke?
Robert
2014-12-29 00:21:24 UTC
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On Sun, 28 Dec 2014 15:26:17 -0800 (PST), Bruce Watson
Post by Bruce Watson
"It might not seem like it now, but everything you wrote down in Exercise 1 is an illusion. These 'reasons you smoke' might seem very real, but they are not. Instead, everything on this list is your mind's attempt to justify something that doesn't make sense." 
Don't ask how I know. It's true because I say so. 
Why do you smoke?
No matter what I say will be deemed an illusion.
Steve O
2014-12-29 02:55:02 UTC
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Post by Robert
On Sun, 28 Dec 2014 07:22:44 -0800 (PST), Bruce Watson
Post by Bruce Watson
"It might not seem like it now, but everything you wrote down in Exercise 1 is an illusion. These 'reasons you smoke' might seem very real, but they are not. Instead, everything on this list is your mind's attempt to justify something that doesn't make sense."
Don't ask how I know. It's true because I say so.
Can you make sense of it?
Robert
2014-12-29 13:09:10 UTC
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Post by Steve O
Post by Robert
On Sun, 28 Dec 2014 07:22:44 -0800 (PST), Bruce Watson
Post by Bruce Watson
"It might not seem like it now, but everything you wrote down in Exercise 1 is an illusion. These 'reasons you smoke' might seem very real, but they are not. Instead, everything on this list is your mind's attempt to justify something that doesn't make sense."
Don't ask how I know. It's true because I say so.
Can you make sense of it?
Yes. As I explained in another posting, he is demanding rational
explanations for irrational actions. Of necessity they will be
contrived.
Steve O
2014-12-29 15:52:30 UTC
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Post by Steve O
Post by Robert
On Sun, 28 Dec 2014 07:22:44 -0800 (PST), Bruce Watson
Post by Bruce Watson
"It might not seem like it now, but everything you wrote down in Exercise 1 is an illusion. These 'reasons you smoke' might seem very real, but they are not. Instead, everything on this list is your mind's attempt to justify something that doesn't make sense."
Don't ask how I know. It's true because I say so.
Can you make sense of it?
Yes. As I explained in another posting, he is demanding rational
explanations for irrational actions. Of necessity they will be
contrived.
There is always a rational explanation for irrational actions.
For example, someone might think he is Napoleon and claim that they come
from another planet.
Their actions might be rational, but the rational explanation for their
behavior is that they are mentally ill and are living under an illusion.
Smokers irrationally believe that tobacco smoke can make them
concentrate or relax and that that nicotine can make feelings of
withdrawal go away.
The rational explanation is that it actually does the opposite of what
they believe whilst giving the illusion of a benefit.
Robert
2014-12-29 19:34:13 UTC
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Post by Robert
Post by Steve O
Post by Robert
On Sun, 28 Dec 2014 07:22:44 -0800 (PST), Bruce Watson
Post by Bruce Watson
"It might not seem like it now, but everything you wrote down in Exercise 1 is an illusion. These 'reasons you smoke' might seem very real, but they are not. Instead, everything on this list is your mind's attempt to justify something that doesn't make sense."
Don't ask how I know. It's true because I say so.
Can you make sense of it?
Yes. As I explained in another posting, he is demanding rational
explanations for irrational actions. Of necessity they will be
contrived.
There is always a rational explanation for irrational actions.
For example, someone might think he is Napoleon and claim that they come
from another planet.
Their actions might be rational, but the rational explanation for their
behavior is that they are mentally ill and are living under an illusion.
Smokers irrationally believe that tobacco smoke can make them
concentrate or relax and that that nicotine can make feelings of
withdrawal go away.
The rational explanation is that it actually does the opposite of what
they believe whilst giving the illusion of a benefit.
Irrational doesn't mean crazy or wrong. It means originating in your
fish brain. Examples are finding a sunset beautiful and being
attracted to a woman.
Bruce Watson
2014-12-28 18:54:58 UTC
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My neighbors sold their kids' christmas presents to get money for drugs. 
Has tobacco put you in the slums?
Robert
2014-12-28 23:03:49 UTC
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On Sun, 28 Dec 2014 10:54:58 -0800 (PST), Bruce Watson
Post by Bruce Watson
My neighbors sold their kids' christmas presents to get money for drugs. 
Has tobacco put you in the slums?
They're actually my daughter's neighbors. She lives in a slum 40 miles
from me. She was put there by a husband who refuses to work and her
preference for pit bulls, not by smoking.
Bruce Watson
2014-12-28 23:32:33 UTC
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Post by Robert
My neighbors sold their kids' christmas presents to get money for drugs.  
Has tobacco put you in the slums? 
They're actually my daughter's neighbors.
So you were being less than truthful.
Robert
2014-12-29 00:25:01 UTC
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On Sun, 28 Dec 2014 15:32:33 -0800 (PST), Bruce Watson
Post by Bruce Watson
Post by Robert
My neighbors sold their kids' christmas presents to get money for drugs.  
Has tobacco put you in the slums? 
They're actually my daughter's neighbors.
So you were being less than truthful.
I was at her house when I learned of the neighbors. I simplified for
brevity.
Malcolm
2014-12-31 17:06:20 UTC
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Post by Robert
Post by Bruce Watson
My neighbors sold their kids' christmas presents to get money for drugs. 
Has tobacco put you in the slums?
They're actually my daughter's neighbors.
You changed your story, liar.
http://smokersrightscanada.org/?page_id=29
Bruce Watson
2015-01-03 15:49:53 UTC
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http://qr.ae/67S28
Bruce Watson
2015-01-06 00:17:31 UTC
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https://ca.news.yahoo.com/blogs/geekquinox/heroin-study-shows-the-best-chance-at-keeping-new-223059890.html
Bruce Watson
2015-01-06 17:22:53 UTC
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Robert wrote: 
My neighbors sold their kids' christmas presents to get money for drugs.  
Has tobacco put you in the slums? 
They're actually my daughter's neighbors. 
Dropping a word changes the meaning.
Robert
2015-01-06 20:07:24 UTC
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On Tue, 6 Jan 2015 09:22:53 -0800 (PST), Bruce Watson
Robert wrote: 
My neighbors sold their kids' christmas presents to get money for drugs.  
Has tobacco put you in the slums? 
They're actually my daughter's neighbors. 
Dropping a word changes the meaning.
The meaning was selling christmas presents for drugs. Where they live
is unimportant.
Bruce Watson
2015-01-07 05:38:17 UTC
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http://qr.ae/6KuPP
Bruce Watson
2015-01-07 05:55:48 UTC
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http://qr.ae/6KO1F
Robert
2015-01-07 06:47:29 UTC
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http://qr.ae/6KO1F
This guy is a ringer, a shill for the Carr system.
Steve O
2015-01-07 08:28:27 UTC
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Post by Robert
On Tue, 6 Jan 2015 21:55:48 -0800 (PST), Bruce Watson
Post by Bruce Watson
http://qr.ae/6KO1F
This guy is a ringer, a shill for the Carr system.
He has quite a few imitators, and quite a few of them have made a lot of
money using his system- but this one appears to be just a blogger.
Robert
2015-01-07 06:37:47 UTC
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On Tue, 6 Jan 2015 21:38:17 -0800 (PST), Bruce Watson
Post by Bruce Watson
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Michael got it right. When antis ask why you smoke, they don't want an
answer, they want to TELL you why you smoke. When doctors ask how much
you smoke, they don't want an answer, they want ammunition they can
use to browbeat you. I throw them off their game by answering, "more
than zero." They can't say 'more than zero is too much, you need to
cut down.' Sensing nonacquiesence, they drop that line of inquiry.
Bruce Watson
2015-01-07 15:49:01 UTC
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Post by Robert
Michael got it right.
He rationalizes as much as you but isn't as clever.
Post by Robert
When antis ask why you smoke, they don't want an answer, they want to TELL you why you smoke. When doctors ask how much 
you smoke, they don't want an answer, they want ammunition they can use to browbeat you.

They need to know your pack-year exposure for further testing or not.
Post by Robert
I throw them off their game by answering, "more than zero." They can't say 'more than zero is too much, you need to cut down.'
They will never advise to cut down.
Post by Robert
Sensing nonacquiesence, they drop that line of inquiry. 
They know reasoning with an addict is futile.
Robert
2015-01-07 18:30:54 UTC
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On Wed, 7 Jan 2015 07:49:01 -0800 (PST), Bruce Watson
Post by Bruce Watson
Post by Robert
Michael got it right.
He rationalizes as much as you but isn't as clever.
Post by Robert
When antis ask why you smoke, they don't want an answer, they want to TELL you why you smoke. When doctors ask how much 
you smoke, they don't want an answer, they want ammunition they can use to browbeat you.
They need to know your pack-year exposure for further testing or not.
Post by Robert
I throw them off their game by answering, "more than zero." They can't say 'more than zero is too much, you need to cut down.'
They will never advise to cut down.
Post by Robert
Sensing nonacquiesence, they drop that line of inquiry. 
They know reasoning with an addict is futile.
Doctors insist on maintaining intellectual dominance. They are like
cops, who insist on maintaining social dominance. Both refuse to get
into debates where they have to treat people as equals.

Doctors hate internet sites that supply bona fide medical information
written in medical terminology. Patients understanding technical
language reduces doctors' advantage and makes them angry. They act
like medical words are trade secrets.
Bruce Watson
2015-01-07 22:59:09 UTC
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Doctors insist on maintaining intellectual dominance. They are like 
cops, who insist on maintaining social dominance. Both refuse to get 
into debates where they have to treat people as equals. Doctors hate internet sites that supply bona fide medical information written in medical terminology. Patients understanding technical language reduces doctors' advantage and makes them angry. They act 
like medical words are trade secrets. 

If you distrust doctors so much, why do you go to them?
Robert
2015-01-08 00:20:27 UTC
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On Wed, 7 Jan 2015 14:59:09 -0800 (PST), Bruce Watson
Post by Bruce Watson
Doctors insist on maintaining intellectual dominance. They are like 
cops, who insist on maintaining social dominance. Both refuse to get 
into debates where they have to treat people as equals. Doctors hate internet sites that supply bona fide medical information written in medical terminology. Patients understanding technical language reduces doctors' advantage and makes them angry. They act 
like medical words are trade secrets. 
If you distrust doctors so much, why do you go to them?
I don't distrust them, I'm annoyed by their manners.

I spent my life managing high IQ, prima donna software nerds, some
worse than doctors. I'm not intimidated by intellectual bullies.
Bruce Watson
2015-01-08 01:11:52 UTC
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I don't distrust them, I'm annoyed by their manners. 
Only when they mention your addiction.
Robert
2015-01-08 02:41:14 UTC
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On Wed, 7 Jan 2015 17:11:52 -0800 (PST), Bruce Watson
Post by Bruce Watson
I don't distrust them, I'm annoyed by their manners. 
Only when they mention your addiction.
That's not it. They seldom mention smoking. Doctors act more like
religious leaders than technicians.. They want patients to have blind
faith in them. My primary care doctor said so explicitly. I replied,
"I trust evidence, not people." He understood my point because doctors
themselves think that way. He then switched to talking with reason
rather than authority.
Malcolm
2015-03-13 10:02:05 UTC
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Post by Robert
Post by Bruce Watson
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Michael got it right.
No, he didn't, liar. Karthik Moorthi got it right: "'Big Tobacco' through movies, media, promotion and packaging has pumped in billions over years to give you the virtual realism you live in your mind when you smoke. You're in the matrix when you smoke, and people have worked really hard to hardwire you in believing so until the past few decades."
http://smokersrightscanada.org/?page_id=29
Malcolm
2015-03-13 09:57:53 UTC
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Robert wrote: 
My neighbors sold their kids' christmas presents to get money for drugs.  
Has tobacco put you in the slums? 
They're actually my daughter's neighbors. 
Dropping a word changes the meaning.
Robert Ribbentrop has claimed in the past that "removing a modifier from a sentence doesn't change its meaning."
Steve O
2014-12-28 20:58:56 UTC
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Post by Robert
On Sat, 27 Dec 2014 16:47:12 -0800 (PST), Bruce Watson
Post by Bruce Watson
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-2888460/Want-quit-smoking-time-finish-article-ll-ready-stub-habit-says-DR-MAX-PEMBERTON.html
The doctor demands a rational reason for an irrational action. I hope
he never falls in love. It'll drive him crazy.
What makes you think that love has no rational explanation?
Addiction uses the same chemical pathways as love. The lover/addict
will do ANYthing for the object of desire. He feels like he will die
without it.
My neighbors sold their kids' christmas presents to get money for
drugs. That's love.
Nice neighbors.
For some reason I imagined you living in a really nice part of Florida.
Robert
2014-12-28 23:07:43 UTC
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Post by Robert
Post by Steve O
Post by Robert
On Sat, 27 Dec 2014 16:47:12 -0800 (PST), Bruce Watson
Post by Bruce Watson
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-2888460/Want-quit-smoking-time-finish-article-ll-ready-stub-habit-says-DR-MAX-PEMBERTON.html
The doctor demands a rational reason for an irrational action. I hope
he never falls in love. It'll drive him crazy.
What makes you think that love has no rational explanation?
Addiction uses the same chemical pathways as love. The lover/addict
will do ANYthing for the object of desire. He feels like he will die
without it.
My neighbors sold their kids' christmas presents to get money for
drugs. That's love.
Nice neighbors.
For some reason I imagined you living in a really nice part of Florida.
I live in a physically beautiful middle class suburb. The druggies
live 40 miles away in downtown Daytona Beach, which is a ghetto. They
are my daughter's neighbors.
Bruce Watson
2014-12-28 15:21:20 UTC
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"EXERCISE 1

Write a list of what you love about cigarettes, and why. It doesn't matter how daft some of the things are. It's important that you start to examine what you think cigarettes give to you. Do they make you feel more confident or more relaxed? What do you think you get from smoking - after all, it must give you something, otherwise why do it?"

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-2888460/Want-quit-smoking-time-finish-article-ll-ready-stub-habit-says-DR-MAX-PEMBERTON.html
Robert
2014-12-28 23:13:50 UTC
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On Sun, 28 Dec 2014 07:21:20 -0800 (PST), Bruce Watson
Post by Bruce Watson
"EXERCISE 1
Write a list of what you love about cigarettes, and why. It doesn't matter how daft some of the things are. It's important that you start to examine what you think cigarettes give to you. Do they make you feel more confident or more relaxed? What do you think you get from smoking - after all, it must give you something, otherwise why do it?"
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-2888460/Want-quit-smoking-time-finish-article-ll-ready-stub-habit-says-DR-MAX-PEMBERTON.html
That's like asking for a list of what I like about sex, music, or
television. You are demanding rational reasons for irrational
activities. Of course they will sound silly. Does that mean everyone
should quit sex, music, and television?
Steve O
2014-12-29 02:59:09 UTC
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Post by Robert
On Sun, 28 Dec 2014 07:21:20 -0800 (PST), Bruce Watson
Post by Bruce Watson
"EXERCISE 1
Write a list of what you love about cigarettes, and why. It doesn't matter how daft some of the things are. It's important that you start to examine what you think cigarettes give to you. Do they make you feel more confident or more relaxed? What do you think you get from smoking - after all, it must give you something, otherwise why do it?"
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-2888460/Want-quit-smoking-time-finish-article-ll-ready-stub-habit-says-DR-MAX-PEMBERTON.html
That's like asking for a list of what I like about sex, music, or
television. You are demanding rational reasons for irrational
activities. Of course they will sound silly. Does that mean everyone
should quit sex, music, and television?
Sex, music and television are not irrational activities.
Inhaling carcinogenic smoke for no benefit is irrational.
Robert
2014-12-29 13:11:58 UTC
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Post by Robert
On Sun, 28 Dec 2014 07:21:20 -0800 (PST), Bruce Watson
Post by Bruce Watson
"EXERCISE 1
Write a list of what you love about cigarettes, and why. It doesn't matter how daft some of the things are. It's important that you start to examine what you think cigarettes give to you. Do they make you feel more confident or more relaxed? What do you think you get from smoking - after all, it must give you something, otherwise why do it?"
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-2888460/Want-quit-smoking-time-finish-article-ll-ready-stub-habit-says-DR-MAX-PEMBERTON.html
That's like asking for a list of what I like about sex, music, or
television. You are demanding rational reasons for irrational
activities. Of course they will sound silly. Does that mean everyone
should quit sex, music, and television?
Sex, music and television are not irrational activities.
Inhaling carcinogenic smoke for no benefit is irrational.
Irrational doesn't mean wrong, it means the reason for them is
emotional rather than rational.
Dänk 42Ø
2014-12-28 06:30:34 UTC
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http://archpsyc.jamanetwork.com/Mobile/article.aspx?articleid=1151016
I am highly intelligent, yet I still had trouble digesting that
gawd-awful article. And though I hate tobacco and the crackeads who use
it (and pollute my air), I feel the authors started their "study" with
an inherent bias against tobacco, then manipulated numbers to reflect
the results they wanted.

From my own informal observations, tobacco users tend to be stoopid.
One can see this trend in the percentage of dropouts, criminals,
lunatics, etc. who smoke tobacco. Nicotine probably doesn't cause
anti-social behavior, but most anti-social types consume nicotine (this
is often attributed to "self-medicating" behavior).

I have to admit I am anti-social myself, but have never been attracted
to nicotine because the drug makes me violently ill. I love marijuana,
however. But then I find myself one of the few potheads who does not
also smoke tobacco. And, unlike tobaccoheads, I can go twenty minutes
or more without dosing. I mean, I'd like to get high right now, but I
don't have any weed, and I'm surviving just fine without it. I still
want to get high, but there is no physical dependency as you see with
nicotine.

What really bugs me is that for all my life I've had to scrounge for
weed on the black market, often making deals with shady psychos in dark
alleys, all while tobacco is openly sold in supermarkets. And when I do
procure a bag of weed, I make sure to consume it where nobody can catch
of whiff of it. Yes, I know smoking pot probably isn't good for you,
but neither is tobacco, yet one is treated like a felony while the other
gets you a citizen of the fuckin' year award. Hell, we've had countless
presidents who smoked tobacco, and our current one receives a continuous
dose of nicotine via an arm patch: his finger is on the nuclear button,
so why is his preferred narcotic of choice permitted while other
narcotics are verboten?
Robert
2014-12-28 09:44:51 UTC
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On Sun, 28 Dec 2014 06:30:34 +0000, Dänk 42Ø
Post by Dänk 42Ø
Post by Bruce Watson
http://archpsyc.jamanetwork.com/Mobile/article.aspx?articleid=1151016
I am highly intelligent, yet I still had trouble digesting that
gawd-awful article. And though I hate tobacco and the crackeads who use
it (and pollute my air), I feel the authors started their "study" with
an inherent bias against tobacco, then manipulated numbers to reflect
the results they wanted.
From my own informal observations, tobacco users tend to be stoopid.
One can see this trend in the percentage of dropouts, criminals,
lunatics, etc. who smoke tobacco. Nicotine probably doesn't cause
anti-social behavior, but most anti-social types consume nicotine (this
is often attributed to "self-medicating" behavior).
I have to admit I am anti-social myself, but have never been attracted
to nicotine because the drug makes me violently ill. I love marijuana,
however. But then I find myself one of the few potheads who does not
also smoke tobacco. And, unlike tobaccoheads, I can go twenty minutes
or more without dosing. I mean, I'd like to get high right now, but I
don't have any weed, and I'm surviving just fine without it. I still
want to get high, but there is no physical dependency as you see with
nicotine.
What really bugs me is that for all my life I've had to scrounge for
weed on the black market, often making deals with shady psychos in dark
alleys, all while tobacco is openly sold in supermarkets. And when I do
procure a bag of weed, I make sure to consume it where nobody can catch
of whiff of it. Yes, I know smoking pot probably isn't good for you,
but neither is tobacco, yet one is treated like a felony while the other
gets you a citizen of the fuckin' year award. Hell, we've had countless
presidents who smoked tobacco, and our current one receives a continuous
dose of nicotine via an arm patch: his finger is on the nuclear button,
so why is his preferred narcotic of choice permitted while other
narcotics are verboten?
Market dynamics. If 30% of the adult population wanted marijuana, it
would be sold in supermarkets. Government would participate through
taxes. When less than 10% want it, the optimum business model is
niche: scarce supply, high price. Government participates through
corruption. It is currently in a transition zone between the two
models. Depending on whom you believe, 8-12% of people would buy pot.

People voting with their wallets determine whether marijuana (or any
commodity) is legal. Political debate is for entertainment. If you
want to blame someone for making you buy in dark alleys, blame your
neighbors for low consumer demand.
Bruce Watson
2015-01-29 06:42:36 UTC
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http://www.mid-day.com/articles/quitting-smoking-gradually-may-help-kick-the-habit/15949167
Bruce Watson
2015-02-05 20:38:09 UTC
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"My only experience with e-cigarettes is my friend Matt, who had tried and failed in every attempt to quit smoking. Now he vapes instead of smokes, and enjoys the pleasures nicotine provides but without all the lung damage, coughing, cancer risk, etc. To me, that's a big plus. And as a former smoker myself, the only reason I've never tried vaping is that I'm afraid the busybodies like those in California will eventually succeed in getting e-smokes banned. But it sure is tempting, because there's nothing like a mild nicotine buzz with that first morning cup of coffee, or with a snifter of brandy after a big meal."

http://pjmedia.com/lifestyle/2015/02/05/why-are-people-so-crazy-about-e-cigarettes/
Robert
2015-02-06 07:54:28 UTC
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On Thu, 5 Feb 2015 12:38:09 -0800 (PST), Bruce Watson
Post by Bruce Watson
"My only experience with e-cigarettes is my friend Matt, who had tried and failed in every attempt to quit smoking. Now he vapes instead of smokes, and enjoys the pleasures nicotine provides but without all the lung damage, coughing, cancer risk, etc. To me, that's a big plus. And as a former smoker myself, the only reason I've never tried vaping is that I'm afraid the busybodies like those in California will eventually succeed in getting e-smokes banned. But it sure is tempting, because there's nothing like a mild nicotine buzz with that first morning cup of coffee, or with a snifter of brandy after a big meal."
http://pjmedia.com/lifestyle/2015/02/05/why-are-people-so-crazy-about-e-cigarettes/
We know why people smoke. The mystery is why some are so obsessively
opposed to nicotine. We don't see such emotional opposition to more
harmful chemicals.
Bruce Watson
2015-02-06 15:14:44 UTC
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Post by Robert
We know why people smoke.
Fear.
Post by Robert
The mystery is why some are so obsessively 
opposed to nicotine. We don't see such emotional opposition to more harmful chemicals. 

Radon isn't addictive.
Malcolm
2015-03-13 10:16:21 UTC
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Post by Robert
We know why people smoke. The mystery is why some are so obsessively
opposed to nicotine.
The "obsessively" in a fiction you created, liar. And there's no mystery about why a lot of people are opposed to nicotine. All you have to do is listen.
Post by Robert
We don't see such emotional opposition to more
harmful chemicals.
No, liar, YOU don't see see such emotional opposition to more harmful chemicals. Again, all you have to do is look.
http://smokersrightscanada.org/?page_id=29

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